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Daniel Speyer's avatar

Latest (2015) word from paleontologists is that Brontosaurus and Apatosaurus are different species (and different genera!) after all. There's a good summary here: https://svpow.com/2015/04/07/welcome-back-brontosaurus-and-other-first-thoughts-on-tschopp-et-al-2015/

Zack M. Davis's avatar

It's definitely worth bearing in mind how fraught non-existence claims are (because, as you point out, only one counterexample is needed to disprove the claim; any universal claim about current humans has 8.2 billion chances to be wrong), but I don't think the "always bet on more diversity" heuristic holds up very well if one is thinking quantitatively about distributions, rather than about existence vs. non-existence (and thinking about distributions is much more useful).

This is easier to see concerning traits where we have hard data. The average height of German women is 5'5" with a standard deviation of 2.6 inches. There are a lot of people in Germany and the distribution is fatter-tailed than an idealized normal distribution, so it's definitely not trivial to pick a particular height and confidently claim that literally no woman is shorter or taller than that. (Dwarfism or gigantism come from specific disorders rather than being extreme samples from the usual sources of variation. The world's tallest woman at 7'0" is 7.3 standard deviations out, and almost certainly wouldn't exist if the distribution were truly normal.)

But "someone vs. literally no one" isn't a particularly decision-relevant piece of information for most applications? You write about betting about "how diverse or varied a given population is", but such claims are usually construed as being about the distribution, not the most extreme outlier fortunate enough to actually exist. It does make sense to be quantitatively more skeptical of any particular account of a 6'0.6" (+3σ) or 6'3.4" (+4σ) or 6'6" (+5σ) woman in proportion to how likely people are to lie or exaggerate about such things, and I think that's what the "Person A" side in these disputes is usually trying to get at (even if most people can't articulate it as carefully as I'm doing here).

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