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JJ Treadway's avatar

> This raises a fascinating question, which Moreton discusses but doesn’t fully answer, about how society (or a smaller set of individuals, or a single person) decides which wants are valid, and thus morally endorseable.

My kinda-hot take on this (with which I'm curious to what extent you agree/disagree):

In my ideal society, literally all wants are theoretically endorsable, but some are sufficiently costly to accommodate, that, in practice, they're just not really worth it to accommodate.

I'm reminded of a news story I read somewhere (idk if it's true, but, for the point I'm making here, its truth/falsity is less important than its value as a thought experiment) about someone who really wanted to have the experience of killing someone, so she (I'm about 60% confident the two main individuals involved were both female, so I'm just going to go ahead and use female pronouns for both) found a stranger who was very old and likely wouldn't have lived much longer anyway, killed her, and turned herself in to the police.

I predict most people's main emotional reaction to this would be some combination of horror and/or disgust and/or cold/ironic amusement. I felt some amount of these things, but mostly I felt sad that this killer - who is clearly *not* merely a selfish asshole, judging by her effort to minimize the harm done by her actions, and by her willingness to accept the consequences - felt that the least shitty option available to her was to forcibly kill someone and end up in prison herself. In what I would consider a perfect world, it would be socially and legally permissible for two people to make an agreement in which one grants the other permission to kill them without punishment (e.g. "you kill me, and, in exchange, you give all my kids/grandkids/whatever $X", or "you give me $X now, and, in exchange, you get to kill me Y years from now"). Sadly though, if we took the world as it exists and made such agreements legally permissible without changing anything *else*, that change would likely not be an improvement. Perhaps some people who want to experience killing would get to experience it with the consent of their victims and without punishment, which I would consider a benefit, but that benefit would likely be outweighed by the fact that any method to legally establish consent to be killed would necessarily be imperfect, and this change would make it easier to effectively "get away with murder" via socially manipulating people into consenting to it and/or fabricating evidence that they did consent to it.

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Kevin's avatar

> a lot of the other language in the chapter kind of pushes the implication that everything is socially motivated and transactional

It's an especially effective social fabric that can actually change people's desires, instead of just suppressing some.

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