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Raelifin's avatar

"[I] [¬appreciate] ([I] [interpret] ([tone] = [demanding]))"

reads to me as "I didn't appreciate how I interpreted the tone as demanding."

I'd write the desired expression as:

"[I] [¬appreciate] [tone] AND [I] [interpret] ([tone] = [demanding])"

More substantially, I like this essay and think it's pointing at a very important thing. But also I feel like you don't talk enough about the difference between objective similarity (e.g. humans and chimps are similar in the grand scheme) and strategic similarity (e.g. pro-life voters and pro-gun voters go together). Often, to my eyes, what's happening with "TNoSD" is not so much narcissism but a contest over a local issue which is potentially solvable through politics. By nature of being local, it's "small", but by the nature of politics and struggle there's still going to be a (potentially nasty) fight.

Tim Urban's book goes into this in a way I think is pretty good: https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Our-Problem-Self-Help-Societies-ebook/dp/B0BTJCTR58

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> How do you feel about this story? Scott and Sigmund have observed the phenomenon of [people who seem very similar being very angry at one another], and have generated a model that seems to explain the observations. What do you think about their proposed explanation?

Echoing one of the things Freud says, I think there are (near)-universal human social instincts that (indirectly) lead to (1) motivation to have one or more people to blame when things go wrong, and to feel superior to; and (2) motivation to be part of groups that like each other. The natural result of (1-2) is that people are motivated to have ingroup(s) and outgroup(s).

I don't think matters at all whether the outgroup is different-but-not-too-different. I think outgroups can be anywhere in the range from "maximally different" to "imperceptibly different". Instead I think it's important that the outgroup be *salient*. It doesn't "scratch that itch" to have an outgroup who you never think about or hear about. I think salience, not magnitude-of-difference, is the main explanation for Scott's observations that Nazis didn't get riled up about the Chinese.

(These days, we have the nightly news and the internet providing a steady stream of videos from around the world etc. So we can get a steady drip of satisfaction out of feeling hatred towards groups even on the other side of the world. Those groups can still be salient enough to function as outgroups, even if we never meet them in person. But that was much less true in the 1940s and earlier.)

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