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Gavin Pugh's avatar

One thing I think contributes to this problem is people treating all violations as equivalent to the maximal form of the violation. In my mind, the explicitness of the verbal consent should be proportional to the harm of getting it wrong.

For example, if I think "I think this person wants a hug," and I get it wrong, either they're awkward for a few seconds, they say "stop," or (hopefully) I recognize that the hug isn't working and I stop. I don't want to discount the modicum of harm they experience, but, like, (rounds down to) no harm, no foul.

On the other hand, if I think "I think this person is interested in rape play," and I get that wrong, it's a *crime*. More explicit verbal consent needed.

Tango's avatar

I used to be in a leadership position where questions along these lines were brought to me (not frequently but) regularly.

Whenever anyone would get up in arms about EVC being the gold standard, implicitly (or even sometimes explicitly) shaming the use of anything else, I’d ask: Do you care about animals consenting? How do you know when your dog/cat wants pets?

Granted, some people genuinely hadn’t yet been taught to notice when an animal is freezing or fawning instead of positively consenting — but because these were always group discussions, someone would inevitably jump in to describe the signs. Numerous times, I noticed that it seemed easier for folks to talk about subtle body language in animals rather than people, even though the crossover was more than legitimate.

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